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8/31/12

Boondocking Roads


Adventure Location:  Apache Kid Wilderness, NM

The plan was to stay at home and take it easy. That worked until after lunch.  A reader emailed me for advice on trailer suspension modifications to let him get out boondocking better. That got me to thinking about the many times I have been asked about that particular item. Then it came to me that the Team is in just the right location to go out and get pictures of a couple of boondocking areas.  Then tonight positive information can be given out. So we did. Keep in mind that motorhomes can go nearly any place the trailers can go.  You do not have to beat your RV to death to get remote.

The road chosen is FR139 heading into the Apache Kid Wilderness. It is very typical of the road and boondocking areas that the Teams have experienced in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Wyoming and Montana. So yep we have seen a few locations in the last ten years plus.

Sometimes the gravel is coarser so your over the road speed must slow down. By and large what you will see tonight holds true for the western states in the forests or in the desert. In some cases the overhead obstructions determine if you can take the route or not. This happens in the forests most often but the rock overhangs in central Oregon did restrict us a few times.

What it all boils down to is that your tires are the weak spot. The suspensions all handle the normal boondock just fine. Get the largest diameter wheels that let the tires operate in the wheel wells of your rig.  Get Load Range D or higher if possible. The gravel will eat the soft ride tires. The higher load range tires are typically tougher tires and hold up to the gravel better.

 Aggressive tread tires are not preferred if you will be going into many different types of surfaces. If you try aggressive tread on the beach or soft sand all you will do is dig your grave. It may not happen the first time but it will happen. Fifty years of soft sand and beach experience are part of my life. Pulling a trailer on the sand requires a more street style tread.

Now on to the examples of surfaces normally found away from the beaches.

These two spots are along Forest Road 139 going into the Apache Kid Wilderness from the Interstate north of Elephant Butte.

The first spot is typical of the flat desert you find in a lot of BLM land. The Team turned off the frontage road and went about a hundred feet. There was the first legal boondocking spot waiting for us. This picture shows the road condition going into the wilderness.  It stays like this all until it gets way into the mountains.

The Truck was pulled into the cleared area and parked.  This picture shows how rough the road is pulling into the boondocking spot.

Keep in mind the interstate is about four hundred feet to the right from the truck. You are on legal free camping ground. Check out the back ground.  Almost all of what your eyes can behold is legal free camping territory.  Again this is BLM land.

From here we passed through six miles of BLM land heading toward the National Forest.  Sometimes there are gullies or other obstructions to prevent you from pulling off the road but there will be an acceptable spot in a minute or two.

At the six mile mark we entered the Cibola National Forest land. This sometimes has slightly more restricted rules than the BLM but always check on the what the rules are for the particular area you are planning to camp upon.

Notice the road is still very good. Notice the flat areas near the sign. That is legal camping.  Notice the background because all of that is legal camping also. It might be too rugged to pull your rig into it, but it would be legal.

The Team passed several locations that have been used in the past for camping by folks. Our goal was to get to the last flat camping area before the road gets too rough, narrow and twisty for trailers.

At eight miles from the interstate we arrived at the last legal flat area an RV can make it onto. It certainly seems remote enough for me. This next picture is the entry to this flat area.

Notice the main road we have been following is still a good gravel road.  The turn in to the area is also very good. This is typical from my experiences. The Truck is parked on the first previously used spot for camping. This particular location has about forty acres of flat area to use for your enjoyment.

From this spot your RV could be oriented to give you this view.

By driving on the road to the back of the area and orienting your rig in the correct direction this could be your view.

I know this is not really out where nobody goes. However you can be certain that any place you can drag a trailer or motorhome has had somebody there before. Today for the three hours we were out there, we only had one other vehicle, with tent campers, come past and this is the start of the Labor Day weekend!

Boondocking does not require a suspension for climbing steep cliffs and over large boulders.  On many trailers and motorhomes the body will not withstand all the racking that going on really rough roads requires. Just staying on the reasonable roads opens more places to you than you can explore in a few lifetimes.
In the parts of the Apache Kid Wilderness that the Teams have explored there are at least a hundred places the Castle could be taken without any difficulty at all towing along the gravel roads.

This is just one more excellent way of trying to have tooooo much fun. TheOFM.

8/30/12

Back In The Hills


Adventure Location:  Southward from Highway 107, NM

Itchy feet got me rolling early this morning. A couple of days ago the Teams had passed a sign for a forest road off highway 107. The road was not numbered on my map sets nor on Google.  It just seemed to be calling the Teams  here teamy teamy.  So the Teams had to go seek adventure. As it worked out it was very interesting and nothing like we thought it would be.

Our thoughts were that it would be just like a couple of other roads that went off in that direction. What is that old saying? Oh yeah WRONG AGAIN AS USUAL. The road started off as a nice graded dirt road.

It remained well graded as we passed a couple of ranch headquarters complexes.  Then we entered the National Forest (NF) and the road became broken rocks and ruts suitable for high clearance vehicles like the Truck. At least the Truck never had to use 4x4.

The scenery is rolling hills with grass and shrubs. Dry creek beds run down from the higher hills.  This was the largest creek bed we saw.

A sign after the second ranch house warned that the road was a dead end road. So the Team was prepared to drive nine miles to the end. Did not happen. A couple of miles into the NF we came to this corral and stock tank. 

There are cattle running in this area.  Along the way we saw several nice camping sites near the road. Most of the area is too rugged for decent campsites. Just past the corral there is a gully that had been partially filled with large rocks that the Truck would have to cross to continue to follow the road. So the Truck pulled into a sort of clear area to rest.

The OFM had the thought of taking SightSeer, his bike, and biking on up the hills past the gully.  However he was already breathing a bit hard from just walking around looking. He wisely chose to not go biking at 7800 feet.

However the OFFool did decide to climb one of the hills next to where we parked. At least he did rest every fifty steps to keep his heart beat reasonable.  It was a slow climb but easy climbing. This is the view looking over the saddle from about two thirds of the way up.  The crest is to the left and up a nice amount more.

 The odd part was that there was no evidence than another human had ever been up on top of this particular hill. So the OFM left a small cairn on the highest rock to mark it as his.

This next picture is from the top of the hill. If you  click to enlarge and look carefully you can see that the road splits as it heads on into the NF.

That could be fun to explore on another better vehicle like an ATV. But for the Teams this is as far as we went.  In reality it was far enough.  We got to see some very pretty hills and valleys.  The campsites that we saw would work for the Castle but the road in would not.  The flat area campsite just after we crossed in the NF land would be the only one the OFM would consider bringing the Castle to. The graded road up to the NF would be fine for the Castle as long as it is dry. It would be a big mess if it rained. YUK.

The OFM actually had a wonderful lunch by the corral. On the way out he was thinking that this was a really nice place for trying to have tooooo much fun. TheOFM.

8/29/12

Critters Visiting


Adventure Location: Elephant Butte, NM

The OFM is tired and getting ready for a shower wearing his ugly original birthday suit.  The shower is turned on but the head is aimed wrong. His glasses are over on the lavatory shelf so his vision is suspect.  As his hand grabs the shower head to adjust it something doesn’t look right.  The hand is jerked back and his glasses applied to his head.  UT OH

That spider is at least 2 ½ inches across. A grab of the ant spray is made.  The spray only seems to irritate the very fast moving spider. The spider lets itself down into the tub and starts running around at high speed.  The ant spray is doing nothing.

The OFM does not have a fly swatter, so he grabs a spatula from the kitchen drawer.  WHACK SPLAT now the spider is under control and flushed down into the black tank.  WOW that was too exciting.

However it was almost midnight before he calmed down enough to go to sleep. So far tonight is calmer.

This morning was nice and cool.  TheOFM piddled around trying to decide what to do. Paddle the yak, play golf, do some hiking or ride SightSeer.  SS won the contest and away we went to a location with good riding and few vehicles on the road.

The Truck found us a great parking spot close to a necessities building.  SS had low pressure in its tires so it took a few minutes to get them pumped up and everything ready for riding.  Even the OFM was getting excited.  The weather was very nice.

By the time we got the OFM all limbered up the Biking Team had already clocked two miles.  Over at a spot on a gravel road we could hear a bunch of cattle making cattle noises from out in the lake.  Closer examination showed that the lake was gone and the cattle were in deep vegetation.  They were making a lot of noise.  SS even had to take a closer look at the activity and noise.

From there we headed out on a hike/bike trail that was built several years ago. Our purpose for this direction was to see how well SS could do on an old abandoned road and in the desert in general.

The lesson was solid and not the least bit subtle. 1 ½ in tires are not anywhere close to wide enough to ride the surfaces in this part of the desert.  The old road was marginal to say the least.  SS needs firmer ground to perform well.

At least while we were playing in the desert we got to meet one of the local residents.

It was a pretty 3+ foot long snake.  Fear was not part of its lifestyle.  First the OFM squirted it with some water from his water bottle. Mr. Snake blinked and looked our way.  Then the OFFool picked up some small gravel and tossed it onto Mr. Snake. Mr. Snake just look at us like we were idiots. It seems to me it was correct.

Finally the OFFool pushed the front wheel of SS closer to Mr. Snake. Mr. Snake finally had enough of this fooling around and slid on off into the surrounding desert. It even flicked its tail at us if to say “Silly fools”.

After a good bit more riding on surfaced roads the OFM knees started saying ENOUGH. So the Riding Team headed back to the Truck.

It was starting to get warm by the time we stopped at the Truck.

A good ride on a great bike in the morning and visiting with local residents goes a long way toward trying to have tooooo much fun. TheOFM

8/28/12

Rock Canyon


Adventure Location: Elephant Butte, NM

The cool dry desert air gently floats through the Castle every night. Sleeping is really enhanced by that feeling. Down on the Gulf Coast it is ac or heat nearly all the time or the humidity would have you soaking wet all the time.

After the gentle awakening this morning the Teams were anxious to get out and mess around. Yesterday the OFM had been told of two more launch locations on the upper part of the pond. That was the goal of the exploration today. The first location was hat another marina that the OFM had not known about.  It is an excellent location for launching and pond access.

A park ranger was there so the OFM could verify that paddle craft could still use the ramp area.  The closure is because of a steep drop off a couple of feet into the water that would trap boat trailers. The parking is even reasonably close to the launch point at this location.

A fellow had his boat tied to the dock in preparation to heading out fishing. However he was very ready to talk so we talked.  He certainly was good about telling a stranger about how and where to fish. 

Just as he was leaving another boat was coming in to tie up at the dock. It was an inflatable boat powered by a trolling motor.  Overall it was a very nice looking rig. The OFM helped the friendly fellow unload some things from the boat.

As the friendly fellow walked around on the boat, it did not wiggle much and the floor was sufficiently rigid that walking was easy. That surprised the OFM that the floor could be walked on that easily. It is a nice sized boat for general use out on the water. Naturally it is not a speed boat for skiing behind. Here is the identification printed on the back.

After the inflatable left the Team headed out onto the shore line to have a serious look around.  The hills were loose sand and rocks that made walking a major difficulty.  About a mile is all we made before giving up on that idea.

From this location, Rock Canyon Marina, we went out on the main road and a bit more to the north to “Long Point” road.  The Truck spritely headed down the graded sand road.  The road forked at one point and we explored both forks.  The story was the same on both forks. As the graded road got down the hills to the old lake bed the surface became too iffy for the Team.  This is not a good launch point for this Team.

We got back home to the Castle in time to fix lunch.  After that it was just goof off time the rest of the day. The Rock Canyon launch site will be a good jumping off place for trying to have tooooo much fun. TheOFM.

8/27/12

River Exploration


Adventure Location: Elephant Butte Dam Area, NM

The half hour trip to check out one item and be gone turned into an all afternoon adventure. It continually amazes me the things the OFM Teams find to interest them.

The trip had the purpose of looking, again, at the free camping below the Elephant Butte Lake dam.  It seems to be too nice to be true. To my surprise the restroom actually has a hot water shower in it.  The approximately 15 sites are strung out along the Rio Grande River. The road and a walking path are between the sites and the river. There is a shade shelter at each site but one.  Water is available at the restroom area.  No electric or dump station.  Everything is worn but reasonably clean.

By following the road down to the end and turning down a ramp to a dirt road along the river you can fish, swim or whatever in the moderately fast flowing river IF EB dam is releasing water. My luck fishing was a small perch is all.  The location was water’s edge for the OFM and the Truck.

Since the Teams were close, we went on up the hill to find the marina and check there for yak launching. The marina launch ramp was signed closed but that usually means only power boats cannot use it.  It will be a great yak launch.

The OFM decided to go check out the marina. As he walked along the hill side trail above the lake, he noticed this fish messing around near the shore.  That is a five gallon plastic bucket you see in the picture. The Team was about twenty feet above the water when the picture was taken.

Before we made it to the marina floating bait house four more fish that size were seen. The manager of the bait house and marina was fun to talk with.  They even have a section of the dock area set up with shade and picnic tables so you can fish in comfort. On the bulletin board was a few pictures of fish caught on the lake.

Those are some nice stripers. 

Since the marina rents out kayaks, the area must be decent for paddling or Bubba Boats. It certainly looked good for the OFM yak to run around in.

As we left the area a gravel road to the left caught the Truck’s attention. The Truck was ready for some exploring. And it turned out to be a good adventure too. For the first couple of miles the road ran along the side of the Rio Grande River.  There was even a couple floating in the current in some sort of blow up toys.  They seemed quite content with their adventure.

After a few miles houses appeared on the opposite bank of the river from the Team.  They varied in style but the setting right on the river made them all pretty good looking.

They went on for a few miles and then the road cut up into the hills.  The Truck followed the road for a bit more to a spot with loose rock going uphill steeply, and then the Team vote caused the Truck to turn back. Later checking on Google earth this proved to be the right choice.

Just before we got back to hwy 51, a spot that looked really good for fish catching showed up. The bridge is the hwy 51 bridge over the Rio Grande River.

The Fishing Team stumbled their way down the riprap and commenced to chunk’n a lure. The Team fished upstream, downstream, cross stream, along the bridge structure, against the bridge structure and any other way we could think of.  One little bass about 6 inches long bumped the spinner bait once right at the shore. The river was moving a little fast and it was also carrying a lot of grass downstream that hung up on the lure often.

Even without catching any fish this was still a joyous attempt at trying to have tooooo much fun. TheOFM.

8/26/12

Cuchillo Negro Dam


Adventure Location: Cuchillo, NM

It was getting too hot to walk much in the desert so the Meandering Team got on Google Earth to see what is around us to take the Truck to see.  Hmmmmm look at that dam out in the middle of nowhere and it is very near here.  Target acquired, let us get rolling. 

As you might expect the road named Black Dam Road did not have a sign on it at hwy 52.  But the OFM seldom believes signs out here in the desert. He taught himself dead reckoning when playing in boats and has found it to be an excellent navigation procedure in the desert.

The first road attempted was the correct road to my surprise but the OFM had no doubt. This is the road to the dam and notice its distinctive appearance from the rest of the desert. The left turn is slightly less than four miles from hwy 181 on hwy 52.
Road to Cuchillo Negro Dam

All of the land in sight is BLM land open to boondocking. There are even more good boondock spots near the dam. Any size or type of RV can make it in here easily in any weather.  There are NO facilities at all. Here is the Truck parked at the lowest level parking area at the dam.

While parked at the lower level and looking around, it was noticed that the wind was playing music with whistles through the handrails on the top of the dam.  That was neat.  The OFM went over close to the dam to attempt to take a picture of the downstream canyon. After taking a few pictures he noticed the sound of honey bees on a nest. A bit of looking around did not discover the location of the nest. He did not push the search for fear of rattlesnakes in the rocks.

With this part enjoyed, the Truck moved the Team up to the upper parking area. From this spot the OFM walked across the road and unlatched a gate that guarded the road that went behind the dam. At least he was wise enough to grab some water to take with him. As it turned out he needed it.

The road is loose gravel as it heads steeply downhill.  By watching the upstream side of the dam, the OFM was able to stumble downhill to a good spot to cut across the desert as he chased more pictures. The plateau ended in a cliff about thirty feet tall. From this spot he was able to get a decent picture of the upstream side of the dam.

Apparently this is a flash flood retention dam of some sort. Upstream of the dam a few miles is the small town of Cuchillo. Cuchillo has a history of agriculture during the time this area got more rain. Now it is just a few folks barely hanging on. It is under the red dot in the next picture.

The OFM ran out of water before he got started up the hill back to the gate.  Someone on an ATV came driving up and was waiting at the gate for him to get back.  The OFM figured it was a Federal agent of some type.  It turned out to be a very nice man who had ridden his ATV across the desert from near the Wal-Mart in TorC. The OFM and the nice fellow talked about the area for nearly an hour and all the things to do. There are thousands of acres for ATV riding and hiking and boondocking.

The trip was a neat trip.  In fact the Meandering Teams were enjoying it so much they took another gravel road through the desert to get back to town. The trip was another good one while trying to have tooooo much fun. TheOFM.

8/25/12

FR330 Apache Kid


Adventure Location: Apache Kid Wilderness, NM

The OFM Team rolled for a section of the Apache Kid not visited before. The route was north on I-25 to NM107 then turn left on FR330. It is a nice drive with about half of it on a maintained gravel road.

After the left turn onto FR330 this is the view of the fun ahead.

A regular car can make the drive well up into the Wilderness. The private land the road travels through would be nice for boondocking. It is pretty country when it is green. Roughly three miles down the road you arrive at the National Forest sign.  This NF still does not have designated dispersed camping so you can camp any place not designated No Camping.

As our usual method the Team gently made our way along the road until we chose to not go any farther. Then we explore to the sides on our way out. On the way up, and it definitely goes up quickly, we met a couple coming down from a few days of camping.  They told the OFM about the roads all the way to the top ridge road. The Truck might be a bit large for the road after the “chimney area” and 4x4 is a good idea too.

We meandered on to the chimney area and had lunch.

Behind our lunch spot was the chimney.  This is a couple of acres of relatively flat area that is nice. TheOFM meandered around for a good bit enjoying the clean air and sparse oxygen. The GPS told us we were at 7800 feet. In the opinion of the OFM he would not bring the Castle this far up the mountain. The tree overhangs and rough road is more than he wants to risk with the Castle.  However a lighter trailer like a Casita would make it quite comfortably.

The OFM walked up the road a little more and decided that this was far enough. The ruts and rocks got more difficult quickly. We chose to head back down and explore the sides of the road.

There is what was thought to be an old cemetery near the road.  We stopped and looked around. The few head stones near the gate were all late 1800s to 1918 range. Toward the back of the cemetery are a few newer headstones until one that looked fresh.  It was fresh.  The date on this one was Aug.14, 2012. The OFM politely made his way out and latched the gate.

At another location there are roads that head off to the west toward some fenced areas. As the Team meandered over that direction some posted information came to our attention.  The area is closed to the public because of an old mine and tailings area.  Supposedly the cyanide is too strong for humans to mess around in the dirt. Here is the map portion of the information.

A signed road at a lower better breathing elevation went to the west.  It was signed as a Primitive Road not suitable for low clearance vehicles. Naturally the Truck had to have a look see about that.

In the picture above you can see where the road goes over an edge and goes down. Just on the down side the ruts get over a foot deep and the dirt is loose. Even the macho Truck backed off that “road”. However this is an area of about an acre that could easily be accessed by the Castle for boondocking.  At this point we were down out of the Ponderosa pine elevation.

We checked out several more places that the Castle could easily be brought into for boondocking.  It could be a nice area in cooler weather for some free boondocking.  The distance from the primitive road to the main NM107 road was only four miles.

Keep in mind that the Apache Kid Wilderness is some of the most rugged of all the mountain areas in the west.  The elevations also get on up past 8000 feet also. It is remote and the least used wilderness area in the USA.

Using a mountain bike on these roads could be a great way of chasing our goal of trying to have tooooo much fun. TheOFM.

8/24/12

Horned Toad


Adventure Location: Apache Kid Wilderness, NM

The OFM decided to take the Culprit (his knee) out for a test run.  The Culprit did well but let me know it was not ready for serious walking or hiking.

The location chosen for the outing was one seen before.  It is one of the roads into the Apache Kid Wilderness.  It is a very pretty place. The dual goal was to try out the Culprit and check the area for boondocking opportunities. Here is the target in the background with the clouds around its top.

The Meandering Team turned onto Forest Road 139 and headed slowly into the wilderness.  We were looking at the BLM land for camping opportunities until we got to the National Forest land. Three off to the side double track “roads” were examined for as far as the OFM deemed it safe for the Truck to go.  As it was twice we had to go to 4x4 to easily get out of some less desirable surface texture.

After about 7.5 miles into the area we came to the storm left overs.  FR139 had a washout. The OFM eased the Truck up closer and closer to the washout until he could feel the front tires trying to sink. He stopped and backed up before we needed 4x4 again. His brain worked for a change, everyone give a big cheer. Then he surprised the Team and got out to check out the situation on foot. Maybe he is getting wiser in his OLD age.

It doesn’t look too bad from here, but when the OFM walked or should it be called tried to walk, across it with his very wide feet, the soil proved to be very soft. In fact he did a lot of foot stomping to get the mud off his shoes. Just behind him in this next picture is the very soft spot.

The Truck said it could make it across.  The OFM said maybe but we might make it too sloppy to come back across.  So the OFM just walked around looking at things.  There was a nice large black cow that came over to visit. It sure is pretty in here.  The Truck is in the center right of the picture just sitting there pouting about not getting to play in the mud.

On the meanderous route back to the Truck, a quick movement at gravel level caught his attention.  It is a small horned toad.

Hopefully you could spot the little feller but if not here it is again.

It held its ground for several pictures.  The OFM thought it would run off but it didn’t.

The Culprit behaved well but it needs a couple of more days of recuperation before it gets too busy trying to have tooooo much fun. TheOFM.

8/23/12

The Culprit

      Adventure Location: Cedar Cove RV Park, Elephant Butte, NM

Here is the culprit.

When the Teams arrived Sunday morning the day was pretty and the OFM got right to work setting up the Castle.  The water connection here is at ground level.  The OFM got a towel from the Truck, folded it up very carefully and kneeled on it to hook up the water hose to the faucet. That was not enough padding.  The bursa in his knee got bruised and swollen.  That means he had trouble walking. The adventures have necessarily been limited in physical activity. As of this evening he was finally able to walk out the front road and back without much pain. A couple of more days are needed but at least the knee is healing.

As part of the healing process, the demotivator that the campground keeps on the back porch has used with great joy.

The evening session has been particularly wonderful. The cool evening breeze wafted across the porch.  The gentle rocking provided a stretching but low load workout for the knee. We do not want it to get too stiff and lock up.

From the demotivator the scenery was nice. Hummingbirds were making regular trips to feed and fight. They are excessively aggressive birds. This one rested in the tree for several minutes before getting dive bombed by another hummingbird.

The campground has lots of antiques and other old rusty stuff lying around. The owner has a construction company here in town.  This is an old truck painted up with his company name on the side.  It is an old Dodge dump truck.

Hopefully the knee will be totally healed very soon and the Teams can once again get busy trying to have tooooo much fun. TheOFM.

8/22/12

To The top


Adventure Location: Mimbres Mountains, NM

Every evening the winds HOWL with great vigor.  This evening the WINDS, RAIN, LIGHTNING AND THUNDER ROARED by the OFM made it through the assault with only a little whimpering.

After lunch today a trip up to Emory Pass in the Mimbres Mountains was taken. The Teams have been up there before and reported on it in the blog.  Today the goal was more careful searching for camping places. We found what we needed to know but it was not camping places.

The route is south on I-25 to highway 152 to Hillsboro and Kingston. Here is the beautiful view as the Truck climbed the hills in front of us.

After a few miles up the mountains, there is a road to the right that had a sign talking about some places up the road.  The Teams explored to the first place called Mud Springs. The road crosses private property before entering the Gila National Forest. This section of the forest is called the Black Range.

We found the Mud Springs remnants and it is an area that the Castle could be towed into. However the OFM could not find anything about the place that made him want to camp there.  It is a nice day trip location.

From the Mud Springs ruins the Teams headed on up the road and it was definitely UP. Here are a couple of the views along the way.

We finally arrived at Emory Pass and the nice parking lot at the view point.   The OFM had noticed he was breathing harder as we were climbing the roadway. After parking the OFM headed for the necessities building and found out he had to walk slowly.  The air was too thin for him.

As the Team slowly meandered to the view point for a picture we found an information sign telling us the Teams were at 8228 feet elevation. No wonder the OFM was breathing so heavily. You would have thought he just finished a ten mile run in five minutes the way he was carrying on. Any way he did get a picture of the valley we had passed through on our way up to Emory Pass.  It is still beautiful up there. Apparently they missed the wildfires so far.

What we found out that we did not know before is that there is not any place in this part of the woods low enough in elevation for the OFM to hope to hike or camp.  He found that at the 8228 elevation he was not even able to do a serious walk. Rattttzzzzzzzz.

Finding out more of my limitations is good.  It lets me be safer when planning ways to try to have tooooo much fun. TheOFM.